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KiTxva. mama giorgi, winaswarmetyveli, romelic Tqven axseneT, iqneba samRvdelo dasidan, Tu eriskaci an qali?


Date: 2015-10-07; view: 589.


pasuxi: rac Seexeba qal winaswarmetyvels, cnobebi gvxvdeba wm.werilSi, magram Zalze cota... is ki vinc mefes warudgens ers, Z v e l i winaswarmetyvelia da aris k a c i !.. meti miniSneba _ samRvdeloebidanaa Tu ara _ vfiqrob dRes ar aris saWiro, is TviTon gamoCndeba!... winaswarmetyveli RmerTis rCeulia da adamianis dasaxmareblad da gadasarCenad aris movlinebuli. ase, rom mas yvelani naxavT da masTan misasvlelad arc nacnoboba, da arc `misi kabinetis rigSi~ Cawera dagWirdebaT!.. is yvelasi iqneba, visac RmerTis SiSi da siyvaruli aqvs da zrunavs sulis cxonebaze.

46. kiTxva: gazeT `kviris palitraSi~, mefis Taobaze Tqveni mosazrebis gamoqveynebidan oTx TveSi, imave gazeTSi (3-9 marti) gamoqveynda jvrismamis winamZRvris_dekanoz tariel sikinWilaSvilis interviu saTauriT: ”vin iqneba

saqarTvelos mefe?”, sadac dekanozi tarieli ambobs: ”darwmunebuli var saqarTvelos mefe am weliwadSive eyoleba...” “...is samyaros maSin moevlina, rodesac Cveni patriarqis aRsaydreba moxda da ukve 30 wlisaa...”

`...sulieri TvalsazrisiT, uxilavad is ukve gamefda, roca uwmindesma amaze

sajarod iqadaga...~ `...mefe R v T i s g a n S o b i l i da bagrationTa STamomavalia...~

mama, giorgi Tu saidumlo ar aris, xom ver dagvikonkretebdiT dekanoz tarielis miniSnebebs? da kidev, rogor unda gavigoT, rom `mefe aris RvTisgan Sobilio?...~

 

pasuxi: rac Tqven wamikiTxeT, rogorc TqviT aris dekanoz tarielis sityvebi da mosazrebebi da amdenad me verafers dagikonkretebT. Tu dakonkreteba gsurT, amas isev am statiis avtorTan SeZlebT.

piradad me msgavsi uwyeba ar mqonia, arc RvTidan da arc kacTagan!...

me ar vici, vis gulisxmobs dekanozi tarieli da vin hyavs mxedvelobaSi, roca saubrobs mefeze da arc is mesmis _`mefe ukve sulierad gamefdao~_ rom ambobs. es kiTxeT mas TviTon. me ki piradad am mosazrebas ar veTanxmebi!...

me is vici, rac me meuwya!,.. yvela Tavis sityvazea pasuxismgebeli!..

verc imis Taobaze getyviT rames, Tu ra sulier paralelebs avlebs dekanozi tarieli mefis dabadebasa da uwmindesis aRsaydrebas Soris, kidev vimeoreb, es misi xedvaa. mefe rom gamoCndeba, erisTvis naTeli gaxdeba misi asaki, warmomavloba da kidev bevri sxva ram masze!.. piradad me ver vxedav, rom mefe dRes iyos 30 wlis!..

rac Seexeba Tqveni kiTxvis meore nawils, Tu ras niSnavs “RvTisgan Sobili” _ getyviT: eklesias aqvs amaze dogmaturi pasuxi!..mxolod ver getyviT, Tu ras gulisxmobs dekanozi tarieli?... Tu qristeSi Sobas gulisxmobs, es xazgasma namdvilad ar aris mizanSewonili, roca saqme bolo Jamis saqarTvelos udides wmida mefes exeba, rameTu “qristeSi Soba” yvela qristianze vrceldeba naTlobis gziT. yoveli adamiani naTlobisas iSoba sulierad qristeSi. da Tu dekanozi tarieli gulisxmobs namdvil arss, maSin CemTvis gaugebaria, kacTagan vin SeiZlos `RvTisgan Sobilis~ mefed kurTxeva! es dedamiwaze mxolod yovladwmida s a m e b i s s a x e s xelewifeba!

47. kiTxva: mama giorgi, winaswarmetyvel danielis wignis IX TavSi wavikiTxeT Semdegi sityvebi: `jer kidev locvaSi viyavi, kaci g a b r i e l i xilvaSi rom vnaxe pirvelad, anazdad mofrinda da momiaxlovda saRamos msxverplSewirvis Jams, Semagonebda igi da melaparakeboda. miTxra: `daniel! axla gamovedi, rom Wkua dagarigo!...~ _ mamao, winaswarmetyveli am sityvebSi mTavarangeloz gabriels gulisxmobs?

pasuxi:Ddanieli didi winaswarmetyveli iyo, romelsac didi sulieri xedva hqonda. is xedavda angelozebsac da ara mgonia, rom mas mTavarangelozi gabrieli kacad moexsenebios da meorec, danieli, romelic RmerTs elaparakeboda, aranairad ar iqneboda mokvdavi kacis `Wkuis dasarigebeli~… aq xsenebuli kaci g a b r i e l i aris u k v d a v i !... is Cvens droSic aswavlis da Wkuas arigebs rCeulebs!!!

sulxan-sabas leqsikonSi ganmartebulia saxeli gabrieliSemdegnairad : `g a b r i e l i _ k a c i R m r T i s a, g i n a R m e r T i d a k a c i ; g i n a s a x e R m r T i s a.~

 

48. kiTxva: mama giorgi, bibliuri melqisedek mefeze ras gvetyodiT? moZRvrebma gviTxres, rom melqisedekis warmomavloba gaurkveveliao!..

pasuxi: wminda mamebi gvaswavlian, rom - `nurafers ityvi RmerTis Sesaxeb iseTs, rac Tavad RmerTisgan ar giswavliao!~

getyviT mokled: bibliuri melqisedeki, salamis mefe - aris s a x e m a m a R m r T i s a! ai, rogor sweria masze mociqul pavles werilSi ebraelTa mimarT (ebr.7.3); - “umamo, udedo, ugvartomo, arc dReTa dasabami aqvs da arc sicocxlis dasasruli”kargad CaakvirdiT am sityvebs!.. d a u s a b a m o o d a d a u s r u l e b e l i a r i s m x o l o d R m e r T i.! Tan umamo, udedo, ugvartomo!.. qriste macxovari Ze RmrTisaa, is mamis Zea. pavle mociquli agrZelebs: `RvTis Zis msgavsad, rCeba mRvdlad samudamod~ (ebr.7.3). amdenad u m a m o, u d e d o, u g v a r t o m o! romelsac arc dasabami aqvs da arc sicocxlis dasasruli, da rCeba RvTis Zis msgavsad mRvdlad samudamod _ aris cisa da qveynis Semoqmedi, dasabami da mizezi yoveli sicocxlisa _ mama RmerTi.

Tqven iciT, ebraelebs, rjulis Tanaxmad, meaTedi mihqondaT taZrad _ samRvdeloebisaTvis. abraamma ki meaTedi miarTva m e l q i s e d e k s. pavle mociquli aqve ganmartavs, rom pirvel SemTxvevaSi _ `aq meaTeds Rebuloben mokvdavi adamianebi~ _ laparakia samRvdeloebaze, xolo meore SemTxvevaSi ki `visac mowmoba aqvs rom cocxalia~ _ laparakia melqisedekze.

pavle mociquli gasagebad usvams xazs imas, rom melqisedeki u k v d a v i a!!!

aris kidev bevri sxva dauwereli dasturi yovelive amisa.!

49. kiTxva: mama giorgi, dabadebis meeqvse TavSi vkiTxulobT: `rodesac adamianebma gamravleba iwyes dedamiwaze da asulebi SeeZinaT, dainaxes R v T i S v i l e b m a, rom mSvenierni iyvnen a d a m i a n T a a s u l e b i da mohyavdaT colad, visac vin moewoneboda~_ mamao, vin arian aq xsenebuli RvTisSvilebi? rogori warmoSobisani arian isini da arian Tu ara dRes dedamiwaze RvTisSvilebi?~

pasuxi:am SekiTxvas me misvamT gamosacdelad Tu sxvebisaTvisac dagisvamT?! (icinis).bibliis kiTxva azrovnebis simamaces moiTxovs da amave dros gonebriv Tavmdablobasac!.. rac mRvdeli var, ar maxsovs, vinmes es SekiTxva daesvas CemTvis _ rogorc sasulieros ise eris kacs!

keTili! getyviT. biblia miuTiTebs, rom RvTisSvilebi C a m o d i o d n e n o _ e.i gasagebi unda iyos is, rom isini adamianuri warmoSobisani ar arian da amave dros isini, arc angelozebi arian!.. amis dasamowmeblad isev bibliidan Tqvenive SekiTxvis sityvebi gamodgeba: `dainaxes RvTisSvilebma, rom mSvenierni iyvnen adamianTa asulebi da m o h y a v d a T c o l a d visac vin moewoneboda~ _ ramdenadac viciT, angelozebi ar q o r w i n d e b i a n! - arc Txovdebian da arc cols irTaven!

biblia uCvenebs, rom Zvel droSi adamianebi icnobdnen RvTisSvilebs. gavixsenoT nabuqodonosor mefis sityvebi: `aha, oTx xel-fex gaxsnil kacs vxedav, Suagul cecxlSi mimodian isini uvneblad, meoTxe SexedulebiT RvTisSvils hgavs!~ moviyvanoT kidev magaliTi iobis wignidan: `erT dRes movidnen RvTisSvilebi uflis winaSe warsadgomad, satanac movida maT Soris (iob.T.1.6)”.

Cveni winaprebic cnobdnen RvTisSvilebs. maT sakmao codna gaaCndaT maT raobaze. qarTul miTologiaSi bevri sulieri codna aris dafaruli. qarTvelTa devnis erT-erT mizezs swored gansxvavebuli religiuri codna warmoadgenda. erTmorwmune `moZme~ erebi aranaklebi sisastikiTa da mZulvarebiT gvdevnidnen, swored maTTvis gaugebari da maTze aRmatebuli religiuri codnis gamo, amitom Cvenma winaprebma codna dafares. zogi maTgani ki miTebisa da zRaprebis saxiT vrceldeboda erSi. samwuxarod, qarTvelebma bevri am codnidan davkargeT JamTa siavis gamo. davkargeT sulieri xedvac da gasaRebic am miTebSi dafaruli codnisa, ris gamoc bevri miTi mxilod miTadve rCeba da sxva raime seriozuli Cakvirvebis sagans aRar warmoadgens!..

RvTisSvilebi dResac dadian dedamiwaze, gansakuTrebiT ki qarTvelebSi!...

isini Cveni msgavsi fizikuri sxeulebiT arian CvenSi, Tumca maT ganmasxvavebeli niSnebic aqvT; rac Cveulebrivi adamianis TvalisTvis Znelad aRmosaCenia. wmidanebi ki xedaven maT!.. SemiZlia giTxraT mxolod is, rom maT sami ZiriTadi niSani aqvT ganmasxvavebeli.

Tu iSromebT da miaRwevT wmidanobamde, Tqvenc amoicnobT RvTisSvilebs. jerjerobiT es pasuxi ikmareT!... meti dakonkreteba kidev axal SekiTxvebs aRZravs TqvenSi da amisTvis ki mzad unda iyoT, rogorc sulierad, aseve gonebrivad!

50. kiTxva: mama giorgi, rogor unda gavigoT eklesiastes Semdegi sityvebi `briyvs guli marcxniv aqvs, xolo brZens marjvniv?!~

pasuxi: briyvs, anu saRmrTo xedvis uqonel adamians - guli marcxniv aqvs. es imas niSnavs, rom `briyvs~ aqvs `marcxena~- anu codvili zraxvebiT, vnebebiTa da wuTisoflis sazrunavebiT aRsavse guli. xolo `brZens marjvniv aqvs gulio~. niSnavs imas, rom suliwmidis madliT gabrZnobils aqvs WeSmaritebis maZiebeli, RvTis siyvaruliT anTebuli guli, anu `marjvena~ guli. `marcxena~ guli, es aris adamianis xorcieli guli, xolo `marjvena~ ki sulieri.


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